Aptos psychologist: Should Americans respect Muslim sharia law?

Muslim and Islam are one and the same. Mohammed’s Kingdom IS of thie earth and political conquest was and is the goal of Islam. So says the Anti-Johadist.

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My Kingdom is not of this world… said Jesus Christ. The Islamic Kingdom is of this world and there is no separation between mosque and state says the Anti Johadist. More below:

Friday, June 17, 2011
Islam versus Islamism – a distinction without a difference?
By the Anti Jihadist

When reading anything regarding Islam and Islamic terrorism — something more and more common nowadays — it doesn’t take long to find references to ‘Islamism’, ‘Islamists’, and ‘radical Islam’, especially in the politically conservative side of the blogosphere. Most often, these words are mentioned when observers and pundits speculate as to the motives of the Muslim men (and sometimes women) who carry out, or attempt to carry out, their various terrorist atrocities. This sort of thinking represents a vast improvement over the usual politically correct narrative, namely that (Islamic) terrorism is caused by some combination of poverty, unemployment, so-called ‘Islamophobia’, US foreign policy, and the like. However, even if we accept the ‘Islamism’ explanation for Islamic terrorism, we are still short of a full and complete understanding of the motives of those who carry out this evil.

Here are some typical ways of how conservative commentators mention ‘Islamism’ and/or ‘Islamist’:

•A recent article at American Thinker is entitled “The Egyptian Revolt and Imperial Islamism” (link)
•”Islamist terror is in fact driven by a vile, totalitarian, hallucinatory ideology – Islamism.” (link)
•”Islamism is an ideology that demands man’s complete adherence to the sacred law of Islam and rejects as much as possible outside influence…” (Daniel Pipes)
Daniel Pipes’ quote comes from his article “Distinguishing between Islam and Islamism” dated June 30, 1998. Pipes characterizes ‘Islamism’ as a totalitarian ideology that, at the time of the article was written, ruled three countries (Afghanistan, Iran and Sudan). He further describes ‘Islamism’ as a “…huge change from traditional Islam.” To support this assertion, Pipes says that ‘traditional Islam’ is when a person is committed to personally following ‘sacred’ laws, whereas ‘Islamism’ is an ideology geographically delineated in certain countries, and all persons in said jurisdictions are compelled, presumably by an organized central authority, to follow such ‘sacred laws’. Pipes’ implication here is, ‘Islamism’ is inherently political, whereas ‘traditional Islam’ is not.

Yet Saudi Arabia, a nation long noted for its strict adherence to Islamic law, a country which proudly proclaims the Quran as its constitution, is not listed as an ‘Islamist’ state by Mr. Pipes, at least as of his 1998 article. One might ask, are there any appreciable political or religious differences between Saudi Arabia and Sudan? Both are totalitarian states, with Shariah enshrined as the law of the land. Both feature tyrannical, non-elected governments. Both employ ruthless religious and lifestyle police apparatuses with sweeping and arbitrary powers of arrest, detention, torture and imprisonment. Both have long-standing, atrocious human rights records. Yet one is characterized by Daniel Pipes as ‘Islamist’, and not the other. But Saudi Arabia, a nominal US ally, was home of most of the 9-11 terror team, a team which struck at the very heart of the ‘Great Satan’ in both New York and Washington to commit acts of mass murder, a ‘victory’ hailed by many Muslims and ‘Islamists’ alike. Isn’t this precisely the sort of violent, aggressive act the very raison d’être of ‘Islamism’?

Pipes’ own article discusses how Muslims, in the mere span of a single century, and in accordance with the wishes of their prophet, seized control of a sprawling tract of territory from Spain to India. In other words, the followers of Mohammed built an empire, not only an innate political act, but a quintessentially imperialistic enterprise. When the ‘righteously guided’ caliphs conquered much of the world, and ruled its conquered peoples with a heavy hand, should this be described as ‘Islamism’ or ‘Islam’ in action? Are there in fact any appreciable differences between Islam and Islamism? Along similar lines, are there any differences between a Muslim and an ‘Islamist’, or between a Muslim and a ‘radical or fundamental Muslim’? If one posits the evil twin ‘Islamism’, then one must also posit some sort of non-totalitarian, non-imperialistic ‘good’ Islam, which hence must be supported somewhere in Islamic scripture.

The Quran itself, the very heart of Islamic ideology, is a document that devotes much of its length to the treatment of Muslims and non Muslims. The Quran says that Muslims are fated to rule the world, and everyone in it. While Jesus of Christianity says, “My Kingdom is not of this world,” Muslims are explicitly commanded to do otherwise, to make the world an Islamic kingdom. In other words, the Quran is an inherently political document. Consequently, there is no separation between mosque and state in core Islamic texts. In traditional Islam, dating back to the time of its prophet, the spiritual and the political are one.

Drawing distinctions between Islam and its ‘-ism’ is a false dichotomy. There is no political Islam, no ‘Islamism’, no ‘Islamists’ — there are only Islam and Muslims. The so-called ‘radical’, ‘fundamentalist’ or ‘militant’ Muslims, the ‘Islamists’, and indeed the terrorists, are the ones faithfully practicing the dictums of Islam, exactly as Islam’s founder intended.

The Anti Jihadist writes for Jihad Watch, FrontPage Magazine, and Infidel Bloggers Alliance.

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Aptos, CA psychologist: What promotes religious sense of identity — meatless Fridays & the Latin Mass for Catholics? And for your faith?

Meatless Fridays for American Catholics? Back comes the Latin Mass? Will American bishops follow the lead of Britain and Wales which seek year round abstaining from meat on Fridays.

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Catholic meatless Fridays & Latin Mass return?

Meatless Friday for American Catholics? The return of the Tridentine Mass in Latin?

Pope Benedict XVI lifted restrictions on the old Latin Mass in 2007 which has excited a disproportionate interest among the young.

Now bishops in England and Wales, if they have their way, will require Catholics to abstain from meat every Friday year-round.

Will American bishops follow their lead?

Sociologists such as Roger Finke and Rodney Stark have observed that churches tend to lose vigor when they relax demands on adherents, especially those tenets and practices that cut against the grain of wider society. In economic terms, lowering the “costs” of membership in this way ends up diminishing its benefits, among other ways by loosening the bonds of community.
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So, according to some sociologists, being different from others by having unusual religious practises enhances a sense of identity for those in that religion.

What makes Episcopalians different that fosters their sense of identity? Perhaps that Henry VIII had multiple wives so today Episcopalians stand up for the legal rights of those who are “out”. Right now that includes bisexuals, the transgendered and persons with sexual identity issues.

How about Jehovah’s Witnesses? What fosters their sense of identity that keeps them strong? Jehovah Witnesses are different because they do not salute the flag, refuse to serve in the armed forces and require that the government pay for bloodless liver transfusions (as blood transfusions are not allowed).

And then there are the 300 million Muslims. What makes them different which supports their Islamic sense of religious identity? Some say that Islamic religion has as its basis Sharia law which promotes female genitalia cutting, and has different laws for women than men.

In Aptos, CA there is a catholic church and an episcopalian church a couple blocks from each other. Both churches frequently sing the same opening hymn: All are Welcome. But if you want to be identify with either church is it because of how that group differs from others and that those differences cement bonding between members?

What I notice casually is that Catholics tend to play more bingo, gamble and serve more wine than Episcopalians.

Other than saying the Apostles’ Creed Episcopalians are free to interpret it as they choose. Or ignore it all together. Local Episcopalian churches in Santa Cruz County don’t seem to be growing. Is it because they need different ways of identifying with each other — that separate them from other religions — than currently exist? There is an emblem that identifies Episcopalian churches which some Episcopalians put on the back fender of their cars. I saw one recently and wondered, Is this what Episcopalians have to offer as how they identify?

My guess is that meatless Fridays and Latin Masses will become popular as a way for Catholics to identify.

DrCameronJackson@gmail.com

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Can reformists turn Islam into a religion of peace using reason as the rule of law?

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Pope’s speech at University of Regensburg (full text)
September 20, 2006

Editor’s note: The following is the prepared text from which Pope Benedict XVI spoke as he addressed an academic audience at the Unviersity of Regensburg on September 12. As he actually delivered it, the speech differed slightly. Because the speech has aroused an unusual amount of debate– particularly regarding the Pope’s references to Islam and to religious violence– CWN strongly recommends reading the entire text. For follow-up stories and analysis see the CWN home page.

Distinguished Ladies and Gentlemen,

It is a moving experience for me to stand and give a lecture at this university podium once again. I think back to those years when, after a pleasant period at the Freisinger Hochschule, I began teaching at the University of Bonn. This was in 1959, in the days of the old university made up of ordinary professors. The various chairs had neither assistants nor secretaries, but in recompense there was much direct contact with students and in particular among the professors themselves.

We would meet before and after lessons in the rooms of the teaching staff. There was a lively exchange with historians, philosophers, philologists and, naturally, between the two theological faculties. Once a semester there was a dies academicus, when professors from every faculty appeared before the students of the entire university, making possible a genuine experience of universitas: the reality that despite our specializations which at times make it difficult to communicate with each other, we made up a whole, working in everything on the basis of a single rationality with its various aspects and sharing responsibility for the right use of reason– this reality became a lived experience.

The university was also very proud of its two theological faculties. It was clear that, by inquiring about the reasonableness of faith, they too carried out a work which is necessarily part of the whole of the universitas scientiarum, even if not everyone could share the faith which theologians seek to correlate with reason as a whole. This profound sense of coherence within the universe of reason was not troubled, even when it was once reported that a colleague had said there was something odd about our university: it had two faculties devoted to something that did not exist: God. That even in the face of such radical skepticism it is still necessary and reasonable to raise the question of God through the use of reason, and to do so in the context of the tradition of the Christian faith: this, within the university as a whole, was accepted without question.

I was reminded of all this recently, when I read the edition by Professor Theodore Khoury (Münster) of part of the dialogue carried on– perhaps in 1391 in the winter barracks near Ankara– by the erudite Byzantine emperor Manuel II Paleologus and an educated Persian on the subject of Christianity and Islam, and the truth of both. It was probably the emperor himself who set down this dialogue, during the siege of Constantinople between 1394 and 1402; and this would explain why his arguments are given in greater detail than the responses of the learned Persian.

The dialogue ranges widely over the structures of faith contained in the Bible and in the Qur’an, and deals especially with the image of God and of man, while necessarily returning repeatedly to the relationship of the three Laws: the Old Testament, the New Testament, and the Qur’an. In this lecture I would like to discuss only one point– itself rather marginal to the dialogue itself– which, in the context of the issue of faith and reason, I found interesting and which can serve as the starting-point for my reflections on this issue.

In the seventh conversation edited by Professor Khoury, the emperor touches on the theme of the jihad (holy war). The emperor must have known that surah 2, 256 reads: There is no compulsion in religion. It is one of the suras of the early period, when Mohammed was still powerless and under threat.

But naturally the emperor also knew the instructions, developed later and recorded in the Qur’an, concerning holy war. Without descending to details, such as the difference in treatment accorded to those who have the “Book” and the “infidels,” he turns to his interlocutor somewhat brusquely with the central question on the relationship between religion and violence in general, in these words:

Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.
The emperor goes on to explain in detail the reasons why spreading the faith through violence is something unreasonable. Violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul.

God is not pleased by blood, and not acting reasonably is contrary to God’s nature. Faith is born of the soul, not the body. Whoever would lead someone to faith needs the ability to speak well and to reason properly, without violence and threats… To convince a reasonable soul, one does not need a strong arm, or weapons of any kind, or any other means of threatening a person with death….
The decisive statement in this argument against violent conversion is this: not to act in accordance with reason is contrary to God’s nature. The editor, Theodore Khoury, observes: “For the emperor, as a Byzantine shaped by Greek philosophy, this statement is self-evident. But for Muslim teaching, God is absolutely transcendent. His will is not bound up with any of our categories, even that of rationality.” Here Khoury quotes a work of the noted French Islamist R. Arnaldez, who points out that Ibn Hazn went so far as to state that God is not bound even by his own word, and that nothing would oblige him to reveal the truth to us. Were it God’s will, we would even have to practice idolatry.

As far as understanding of God and thus the concrete practice of religion is concerned, we find ourselves faced with a dilemma which nowadays challenges us directly. Is the conviction that acting unreasonably contradicts God’s nature merely a Greek idea, or is it always and intrinsically true? I believe that here we can see the profound harmony between what is Greek in the best sense of the word and the biblical understanding of faith in God. Modifying the first verse of the Book of Genesis, John began the prologue of his Gospel with the words: In the beginning was the logos. This is the very word used by the emperor: God acts with logos.

Logos means both reason and word– a reason which is creative and capable of self-communication, precisely as reason. John thus spoke the final word on the biblical concept of God, and in this word all the often toilsome and tortuous threads of biblical faith find their culmination and synthesis. In the beginning was the logos, and the logos is God, says the Evangelist.

The encounter between the Biblical message and Greek thought did not happen by chance. The vision of Saint Paul, who saw the roads to Asia barred and in a dream saw a Macedonian man plead with him: Come over to Macedonia and help us! (cf. Acts 16:6-10)– this vision can be interpreted as a distillation of the intrinsic necessity of a rapprochement between Biblical faith and Greek inquiry.

In point of fact, this rapprochement had been going on for some time. The mysterious name of God, revealed from the burning bush, a name which separates this God from all other divinities with their many names and declares simply that he is, is already presents a challenge to the notion of myth, to which Socrates’s attempt to vanquish and transcend myth stands in close analogy. Within the Old Testament, the process which started at the burning bush came to new maturity at the time of the Exile, when the God of Israel, an Israel now deprived of its land and worship, was proclaimed as the God of heaven and earth and described in a simple formula which echoes the words uttered at the burning bush: I am.

This new understanding of God is accompanied by a kind of enlightenment, which finds stark expression in the mockery of gods who are merely the work of human hands (cf. Ps 115). Thus, despite the bitter conflict with those Hellenistic rulers who sought to accommodate it forcibly to the customs and idolatrous cult of the Greeks, biblical faith, in the Hellenistic period, encountered the best of Greek thought at a deep level, resulting in a mutual enrichment evident especially in the later wisdom literature.

Today we know that the Greek translation of the Old Testament produced at Alexandria– the Septuagint– is more than a simple (and in that sense perhaps less than satisfactory) translation of the Hebrew text: it is an independent textual witness and a distinct and important step in the history of revelation, one which brought about this encounter in a way that was decisive for the birth and spread of Christianity. A profound encounter of faith and reason is taking place here, an encounter between genuine enlightenment and religion. From the very heart of Christian faith and, at the same time, the heart of Greek thought now joined to faith, Manuel II was able to say: Not to act “with logos” is contrary to God’s nature.

In all honesty, one must observe that in the late Middle Ages we find trends in theology which would sunder this synthesis between the Greek spirit and the Christian spirit. In contrast with the so-called intellectualism of Augustine and Thomas, there arose with Duns Scotus a voluntarism which ultimately led to the claim that we can only know God’s voluntas ordinata. Beyond this is the realm of God’s freedom, in virtue of which he could have done the opposite of everything he has actually done. This gives rise to positions which clearly approach those of Ibn Hazn and might even lead to the image of a capricious God, who is not even bound to truth and goodness. God’s transcendence and otherness are so exalted that our reason, our sense of the true and good, are no longer an authentic mirror of God, whose deepest possibilities remain eternally unattainable and hidden behind his actual decisions.

As opposed to this, the faith of the Church has always insisted that between God and us, between his eternal Creator Spirit and our created reason there exists a real analogy, in which unlikeness remains infinitely greater than likeness, yet not to the point of abolishing analogy and its language (cf. Lateran IV). God does not become more divine when we push him away from us in a sheer, impenetrable voluntarism; rather, the truly divine God is the God who has revealed himself as logos and, as logos, has acted and continues to act lovingly on our behalf. Certainly, love transcends knowledge and is thereby capable of perceiving more than thought alone (cf. Eph 3:19); nonetheless it continues to be love of the God who is logos. Consequently, Christian worship is worship in harmony with the eternal Word and with our reason (cf. Rom 12:1).

This inner rapprochement between Biblical faith and Greek philosophical inquiry was an event of decisive importance not only from the standpoint of the history of religions, but also from that of world history-– it is an event which concerns us even today. Given this convergence, it is not surprising that Christianity, despite its origins and some significant developments in the East, finally took on its historically decisive character in Europe. We can also express this the other way around: this convergence, with the subsequent addition of the Roman heritage, created Europe and remains the foundation of what can rightly be called Europe.

The thesis that the critically purified Greek heritage forms an integral part of Christian faith has been countered by the call for a dehellenization of Christianity-– a call which has more and more dominated theological discussions since the beginning of the modern age. Viewed more closely, three stages can be observed in the program of dehellenization: although interconnected, they are clearly distinct from one another in their motivations and objectives.

Dehellenization first emerges in connection with the fundamental postulates of the Reformation in the 16th century. Looking at the tradition of scholastic theology, the Reformers thought they were confronted with a faith system totally conditioned by philosophy, that is to say an articulation of the faith based on an alien system of thought. As a result, faith no longer appeared as a living historical Word but as one element of an overarching philosophical system. The principle of sola scriptura, on the other hand, sought faith in its pure, primordial form, as originally found in the biblical Word. Metaphysics appeared as a premise derived from another source, from which faith had to be liberated in order to become once more fully itself. When Kant stated that he needed to set thinking aside in order to make room for faith, he carried this program forward with a radicalism that the Reformers could never have foreseen. He thus anchored faith exclusively in practical reason, denying it access to reality as a whole.

The liberal theology of the 19th and 20th centuries ushered in a second stage in the process of dehellenization, with Adolf von Harnack as its outstanding representative. When I was a student, and in the early years of my teaching, this program was highly influential in Catholic theology too. It took as its point of departure Pascal’s distinction between the God of the philosophers and the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

In my inaugural lecture at Bonn in 1959, I tried to address the issue. I will not repeat here what I said on that occasion, but I would like to describe at least briefly what was new about this second stage of dehellenization. Harnack’s central idea was to return simply to the man Jesus and to his simple message, underneath the accretions of theology and indeed of hellenization: this simple message was seen as the culmination of the religious development of humanity. Jesus was said to have put an end to worship in favor of morality. In the end he was presented as the father of a humanitarian moral message. The fundamental goal was to bring Christianity back into harmony with modern reason, liberating it, that is to say, from seemingly philosophical and theological elements, such as faith in Christ’s divinity and the triune God.

In this sense, historical-critical exegesis of the New Testament restored to theology its place within the university: theology, for Harnack, is something essentially historical and therefore strictly scientific. What it is able to say critically about Jesus is, so to speak, an expression of practical reason and consequently it can take its rightful place within the university. Behind this thinking lies the modern self-limitation of reason, classically expressed in Kant’s “Critiques”, but in the meantime further radicalized by the impact of the natural sciences. This modern concept of reason is based, to put it briefly, on a synthesis between Platonism (Cartesianism) and empiricism, a synthesis confirmed by the success of technology. On the one hand it presupposes the mathematical structure of matter, its intrinsic rationality, which makes it possible to understand how matter works and use it efficiently: this basic premise is, so to speak, the Platonic element in the modern understanding of nature. On the other hand, there is nature’s capacity to be exploited for our purposes, and here only the possibility of verification or falsification through experimentation can yield ultimate certainty. The weight between the two poles can, depending on the circumstances, shift from one side to the other. As strongly positivistic a thinker as J. Monod has declared himself a convinced Platonist/Cartesian.

This gives rise to two principles which are crucial for the issue we have raised. First, only the kind of certainty resulting from the interplay of mathematical and empirical elements can be considered scientific. Anything that would claim to be science must be measured against this criterion. Hence the human sciences, such as history, psychology, sociology, and philosophy, attempt to conform themselves to this canon of scientificity. A second point, which is important for our reflections, is that by its very nature this method excludes the question of God, making it appear an unscientific or pre-scientific question. Consequently, we are faced with a reduction of the radius of science and reason, one which needs to be questioned.

We shall return to this problem later. In the meantime, it must be observed that from this standpoint any attempt to maintain theology’s claim to be “scientific” would end up reducing Christianity to a mere fragment of its former self. But we must say more: it is man himself who ends up being reduced, for the specifically human questions about our origin and destiny, the questions raised by religion and ethics, then have no place within the purview of collective reason as defined by “science” and must thus be relegated to the realm of the subjective. The subject then decides, on the basis of his experiences, what he considers tenable in matters of religion, and the subjective “conscience” becomes the sole arbiter of what is ethical. In this way, though, ethics and religion lose their power to create a community and become a completely personal matter.

This is a dangerous state of affairs for humanity, as we see from the disturbing pathologies of religion and reason which necessarily erupt when reason is so reduced that questions of religion and ethics no longer concern it. Attempts to construct an ethic from the rules of evolution or from psychology and sociology, end up being simply inadequate.

Before I draw the conclusions to which all this has been leading, I must briefly refer to the third stage of dehellenization, which is now in progress. In the light of our experience with cultural pluralism, it is often said nowadays that the synthesis with Hellenism achieved in the early Church was a preliminary inculturation which ought not to be binding on other cultures. The latter are said to have the right to return to the simple message of the New Testament prior to that inculturation, in order to inculturate it anew in their own particular milieux. This thesis is not only false; it is coarse and lacking in precision. The New Testament was written in Greek and bears the imprint of the Greek spirit, which had already come to maturity as the Old Testament developed. True, there are elements in the evolution of the early Church which do not have to be integrated into all cultures. Nonetheless, the fundamental decisions made about the relationship between faith and the use of human reason are part of the faith itself; they are developments consonant with the nature of faith itself.

And so I come to my conclusion. This attempt, painted with broad strokes, at a critique of modern reason from within has nothing to do with putting the clock back to the time before the Enlightenment and rejecting the insights of the modern age. The positive aspects of modernity are to be acknowledged unreservedly: we are all grateful for the marvelous possibilities that it has opened up for mankind and for the progress in humanity that has been granted to us. The scientific ethos, moreover, is the will to be obedient to the truth, and, as such, it embodies an attitude which reflects one of the basic tenets of Christianity. The intention here is not one of retrenchment or negative criticism, but of broadening our concept of reason and its application.

While we rejoice in the new possibilities open to humanity, we also see the dangers arising from these possibilities and we must ask ourselves how we can overcome them. We will succeed in doing so only if reason and faith come together in a new way, if we overcome the self-imposed limitation of reason to the empirically verifiable, and if we once more disclose its vast horizons. In this sense theology rightly belongs in the university and within the wide-ranging dialogue of sciences, not merely as a historical discipline and one of the human sciences, but precisely as theology, as inquiry into the rationality of faith.

Only thus do we become capable of that genuine dialogue of cultures and religions so urgently needed today. In the Western world it is widely held that only positivistic reason and the forms of philosophy based on it are universally valid. Yet the world’s profoundly religious cultures see this exclusion of the divine from the universality of reason as an attack on their most profound convictions. A reason which is deaf to the divine and which relegates religion into the realm of subcultures is incapable of entering into the dialogue of cultures. At the same time, as I have attempted to show, modern scientific reason with its intrinsically Platonic element bears within itself a question which points beyond itself and beyond the possibilities of its methodology.

Modern scientific reason quite simply has to accept the rational structure of matter and the correspondence between our spirit and the prevailing rational structures of nature as a given, on which its methodology has to be based. Yet the question why this has to be so is a real question, and one which has to be remanded by the natural sciences to other modes and planes of thought: to philosophy and theology.

For philosophy and, albeit in a different way, for theology, listening to the great experiences and insights of the religious traditions of humanity, and those of the Christian faith in particular, is a source of knowledge, and to ignore it would be an unacceptable restriction of our listening and responding. Here I am reminded of something Socrates said to Phaedo. In their earlier conversations, many false philosophical opinions had been raised, and so Socrates says: “It would be easily understandable if someone became so annoyed at all these false notions that for the rest of his life he despised and mocked all talk about being – but in this way he would be deprived of the truth of existence and would suffer a great loss”.

The West has long been endangered by this aversion to the questions which underlie its rationality, and can only suffer great harm thereby. The courage to engage the whole breadth of reason, and not the denial of its grandeur – this is the program with which a theology grounded in Biblical faith enters into the debates of our time. “Not to act reasonably (with logos) is contrary to the nature of God”, said Manuel II, according to his Christian understanding of God, in response to his Persian interlocutor. It is to this great logos, to this breadth of reason, that we invite our partners in the dialogue of cultures. To rediscover it constantly is the great task of the university.

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Was bin Laden a faithful Muslim using jehad to impose Islamic sharia law on the west? Is it OK to using violence to impose faith on others? Are there different classes of people — and infidels are to be treated differently than other Muslims? Just exactly what kind of a religion is Islam?

Bin Laden’s death brings to focus the methods he used which sprang from his religion. Anyone who seriously reads the Quaran will observe that violence is permissible and recommended as a course of action.

In his address at Regensberg, Pope Benedict looks to the universities where, using reasonable discourse — and no violence– persons from multiple disciplines seek the truth, inquire into faith, discuss the nature of God. Do the laws of nature come from a caring God who is in a loving, faithful relationship with his People? Or is there no god that created the universe?

Pope Benedict’s Regensburg speech inflamed some Muslims precisely because the Islamic faith views God as capricious, all powerful and not necessarily at all reasonable or loving towards human beings. Pope could not talk as he does about the origins of European civilization, a combination of Greek reason, Roman laws, faith and love.

And Pope Benedict looks at the West’s weaknesses ….

from The American Spectator:
” This pope’s program, they may discover, goes beyond mere institutional politics. He’s pursuing a civilizational agenda.

And that program begins with the Catholic Church itself. Even its harshest critics find it difficult to deny Catholicism’s decisive influence on Western civilization’s development. It follows that a faltering in the Church’s confidence about its purpose has implications for the wider culture.

That’s one reason Benedict has been so proactive in rescuing Catholic liturgy from the banality into which it collapsed throughout much of the world (especially the English-speaking world) after Vatican II. Benedict’s objective here is not a reactionary “return to the past.” Rather, it’s about underscoring the need for liturgy to accurately reflect what the Church has always believed — lex orandi, lex credendi — rather than the predilections of an aging progressivist generation that reduced prayer to endless self-affirmation.

“This attention to liturgy is, I suspect, one reason why another aspect of Benedict’s pontificate — his outreach to the Orthodox Christian churches — has been remarkably successful. As anyone who’s attended Orthodox services knows, the Orthodox truly understand liturgy. Certainly Benedict’s path here was paved by Vatican II, Paul VI, and John Paul II. Yet few doubt that Catholic-Orthodox relations have taken off since 2005.

That doesn’t mean the relationship is uncomplicated by unhappy historical memories, secular political influences, and important theological differences. Yet it’s striking how positively Orthodox churches have responded to the German pope’s overtures. They’ve also become increasingly vocal in echoing Benedict’s concerns about Western culture’s present trajectory.

But above all, Benedict has — from his pontificate’s very beginning — gone to the heart of the rot within the West, a disease which may be described as pathologies of faith and reason.In this regard, Benedict’s famous 2006 Regensburg address may go down as one of the 21st century’s most important speeches, comparable to Alexander Solzhenitsyn’s 1978 Harvard Address in terms of its accuracy in identifying some of the West’s inner demons.

Most people think about the Regensburg lecture in terms of some Muslims’ reaction to Benedict’s citation of a 14th century Byzantine emperor. That, however, is to miss Regensburg’s essence. It was really about the West.

Christianity, Benedict argued at Regensburg, integrated Biblical faith, Greek philosophy, and Roman law, thereby creating the “foundation of what can rightly be called Europe.” This suggests that any weakening of this integration of faith and reason would mean the West would start losing its distinctive identity. In short, a West without a Christianity that integrates faith and reason is no longer the West.
Today, Benedict added, we see what happens when faith and reason are torn asunder. Reason is reduced to scientism and ideologies of progress, thereby rending reasoned discussion of anything beyond the empirical impossible. Faith dissolves into sentimental humanitarianism, an equally inadequate basis for rational reflection. Neither of these emaciated facsimiles of their originals can provide any coherent response to the great questions pondered by every human being: “Who am I?” “Where did I come from?” “Where am I going?”

So what’s the way back? To Benedict’s mind, it involves affirming that what he recently called creative reason lies at the origin of everything.

As Benedict explained one week before he beatified his predecessor: “We are faced with the ultimate alternative that is at stake in the dispute between faith and unbelief: are irrationality, lack of freedom and pure chance the origin of everything, or are reason, freedom and love at the origin of being? Does the primacy belong to unreason or to reason? This is what everything hinges upon in the final analysis.”
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Pope’s speech at University of Regensburg (full text)
September 20, 2006

Editor’s note: The following is the prepared text from which Pope Benedict XVI spoke as he addressed an academic audience at the Unviersity of Regensburg on September 12. As he actually delivered it, the speech differed slightly. Because the speech has aroused an unusual amount of debate– particularly regarding the Pope’s references to Islam and to religious violence– CWN strongly recommends reading the entire text.

Distinguished Ladies and Gentlemen,

It is a moving experience for me to stand and give a lecture at this university podium once again. I think back to those years when, after a pleasant period at the Freisinger Hochschule, I began teaching at the University of Bonn. This was in 1959, in the days of the old university made up of ordinary professors. The various chairs had neither assistants nor secretaries, but in recompense there was much direct contact with students and in particular among the professors themselves.

We would meet before and after lessons in the rooms of the teaching staff. There was a lively exchange with historians, philosophers, philologists and, naturally, between the two theological faculties. Once a semester there was a dies academicus, when professors from every faculty appeared before the students of the entire university, making possible a genuine experience of universitas: the reality that despite our specializations which at times make it difficult to communicate with each other, we made up a whole, working in everything on the basis of a single rationality with its various aspects and sharing responsibility for the right use of reason– this reality became a lived experience.

The university was also very proud of its two theological faculties. It was clear that, by inquiring about the reasonableness of faith, they too carried out a work which is necessarily part of the whole of the universitas scientiarum, even if not everyone could share the faith which theologians seek to correlate with reason as a whole. This profound sense of coherence within the universe of reason was not troubled, even when it was once reported that a colleague had said there was something odd about our university: it had two faculties devoted to something that did not exist: God. That even in the face of such radical skepticism it is still necessary and reasonable to raise the question of God through the use of reason, and to do so in the context of the tradition of the Christian faith: this, within the university as a whole, was accepted without question.

I was reminded of all this recently, when I read the edition by Professor Theodore Khoury (Münster) of part of the dialogue carried on– perhaps in 1391 in the winter barracks near Ankara– by the erudite Byzantine emperor Manuel II Paleologus and an educated Persian on the subject of Christianity and Islam, and the truth of both. It was probably the emperor himself who set down this dialogue, during the siege of Constantinople between 1394 and 1402; and this would explain why his arguments are given in greater detail than the responses of the learned Persian.

The dialogue ranges widely over the structures of faith contained in the Bible and in the Qur’an, and deals especially with the image of God and of man, while necessarily returning repeatedly to the relationship of the three Laws: the Old Testament, the New Testament, and the Qur’an. In this lecture I would like to discuss only one point-– itself rather marginal to the dialogue itself– which, in the context of the issue of faith and reason, I found interesting and which can serve as the starting-point for my reflections on this issue.

In the seventh conversation edited by Professor Khoury, the emperor touches on the theme of the jihad (holy war). The emperor must have known that surah 2, 256 reads: There is no compulsion in religion. It is one of the suras of the early period, when Mohammed was still powerless and under threat.

But naturally the emperor also knew the instructions, developed later and recorded in the Qur’an, concerning holy war. Without descending to details, such as the difference in treatment accorded to those who have the “Book” and the “infidels,” he turns to his interlocutor somewhat brusquely with the central question on the relationship between religion and violence in general, in these words:

Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.

The emperor goes on to explain in detail the reasons why spreading the faith through violence is something unreasonable. Violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul.

God is not pleased by blood, and not acting reasonably is contrary to God’s nature. Faith is born of the soul, not the body. Whoever would lead someone to faith needs the ability to speak well and to reason properly, without violence and threats… To convince a reasonable soul, one does not need a strong arm, or weapons of any kind, or any other means of threatening a person with death….

The decisive statement in this argument against violent conversion is this: not to act in accordance with reason is contrary to God’s nature. The editor, Theodore Khoury, observes: “For the emperor, as a Byzantine shaped by Greek philosophy, this statement is self-evident. But for Muslim teaching, God is absolutely transcendent. His will is not bound up with any of our categories, even that of rationality.” Here Khoury quotes a work of the noted French Islamist R. Arnaldez, who points out that Ibn Hazn went so far as to state that God is not bound even by his own word, and that nothing would oblige him to reveal the truth to us. Were it God’s will, we would even have to practice idolatry.

As far as understanding of God and thus the concrete practice of religion is concerned, we find ourselves faced with a dilemma which nowadays challenges us directly. Is the conviction that acting unreasonably contradicts God’s nature merely a Greek idea, or is it always and intrinsically true? I believe that here we can see the profound harmony between what is Greek in the best sense of the word and the biblical understanding of faith in God. Modifying the first verse of the Book of Genesis, John began the prologue of his Gospel with the words: In the beginning was the logos. This is the very word used by the emperor: God acts with logos.

Logos means both reason and word– a reason which is creative and capable of self-communication, precisely as reason. John thus spoke the final word on the biblical concept of God, and in this word all the often toilsome and tortuous threads of biblical faith find their culmination and synthesis. In the beginning was the logos, and the logos is God, says the Evangelist.

The encounter between the Biblical message and Greek thought did not happen by chance. The vision of Saint Paul, who saw the roads to Asia barred and in a dream saw a Macedonian man plead with him: Come over to Macedonia and help us! (cf. Acts 16:6-10)– this vision can be interpreted as a distillation of the intrinsic necessity of a rapprochement between Biblical faith and Greek inquiry.

In point of fact, this rapprochement had been going on for some time. The mysterious name of God, revealed from the burning bush, a name which separates this God from all other divinities with their many names and declares simply that he is, is already presents a challenge to the notion of myth, to which Socrates’s attempt to vanquish and transcend myth stands in close analogy. Within the Old Testament, the process which started at the burning bush came to new maturity at the time of the Exile, when the God of Israel, an Israel now deprived of its land and worship, was proclaimed as the God of heaven and earth and described in a simple formula which echoes the words uttered at the burning bush: I am.

This new understanding of God is accompanied by a kind of enlightenment, which finds stark expression in the mockery of gods who are merely the work of human hands (cf. Ps 115). Thus, despite the bitter conflict with those Hellenistic rulers who sought to accommodate it forcibly to the customs and idolatrous cult of the Greeks, biblical faith, in the Hellenistic period, encountered the best of Greek thought at a deep level, resulting in a mutual enrichment evident especially in the later wisdom literature.

Today we know that the Greek translation of the Old Testament produced at Alexandria– the Septuagint– is more than a simple (and in that sense perhaps less than satisfactory) translation of the Hebrew text: it is an independent textual witness and a distinct and important step in the history of revelation, one which brought about this encounter in a way that was decisive for the birth and spread of Christianity. A profound encounter of faith and reason is taking place here, an encounter between genuine enlightenment and religion. From the very heart of Christian faith and, at the same time, the heart of Greek thought now joined to faith, Manuel II was able to say: Not to act “with logos” is contrary to God’s nature.

In all honesty, one must observe that in the late Middle Ages we find trends in theology which would sunder this synthesis between the Greek spirit and the Christian spirit. In contrast with the so-called intellectualism of Augustine and Thomas, there arose with Duns Scotus a voluntarism which ultimately led to the claim that we can only know God’s voluntas ordinata. Beyond this is the realm of God’s freedom, in virtue of which he could have done the opposite of everything he has actually done. This gives rise to positions which clearly approach those of Ibn Hazn and might even lead to the image of a capricious God, who is not even bound to truth and goodness. God’s transcendence and otherness are so exalted that our reason, our sense of the true and good, are no longer an authentic mirror of God, whose deepest possibilities remain eternally unattainable and hidden behind his actual decisions.

As opposed to this, the faith of the Church has always insisted that between God and us, between his eternal Creator Spirit and our created reason there exists a real analogy, in which unlikeness remains infinitely greater than likeness, yet not to the point of abolishing analogy and its language (cf. Lateran IV). God does not become more divine when we push him away from us in a sheer, impenetrable voluntarism; rather, the truly divine God is the God who has revealed himself as logos and, as logos, has acted and continues to act lovingly on our behalf. Certainly, love transcends knowledge and is thereby capable of perceiving more than thought alone (cf. Eph 3:19); nonetheless it continues to be love of the God who is logos. Consequently, Christian worship is worship in harmony with the eternal Word and with our reason (cf. Rom 12:1).

This inner rapprochement between Biblical faith and Greek philosophical inquiry was an event of decisive importance not only from the standpoint of the history of religions, but also from that of world history-– it is an event which concerns us even today. Given this convergence, it is not surprising that Christianity, despite its origins and some significant developments in the East, finally took on its historically decisive character in Europe. We can also express this the other way around: this convergence, with the subsequent addition of the Roman heritage, created Europe and remains the foundation of what can rightly be called Europe.

The thesis that the critically purified Greek heritage forms an integral part of Christian faith has been countered by the call for a dehellenization of Christianity-– a call which has more and more dominated theological discussions since the beginning of the modern age. Viewed more closely, three stages can be observed in the program of dehellenization: although interconnected, they are clearly distinct from one another in their motivations and objectives.

Dehellenization first emerges in connection with the fundamental postulates of the Reformation in the 16th century. Looking at the tradition of scholastic theology, the Reformers thought they were confronted with a faith system totally conditioned by philosophy, that is to say an articulation of the faith based on an alien system of thought. As a result, faith no longer appeared as a living historical Word but as one element of an overarching philosophical system. The principle of sola scriptura, on the other hand, sought faith in its pure, primordial form, as originally found in the biblical Word. Metaphysics appeared as a premise derived from another source, from which faith had to be liberated in order to become once more fully itself. When Kant stated that he needed to set thinking aside in order to make room for faith, he carried this program forward with a radicalism that the Reformers could never have foreseen. He thus anchored faith exclusively in practical reason, denying it access to reality as a whole.

The liberal theology of the 19th and 20th centuries ushered in a second stage in the process of dehellenization, with Adolf von Harnack as its outstanding representative. When I was a student, and in the early years of my teaching, this program was highly influential in Catholic theology too. It took as its point of departure Pascal’s distinction between the God of the philosophers and the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

In my inaugural lecture at Bonn in 1959, I tried to address the issue. I will not repeat here what I said on that occasion, but I would like to describe at least briefly what was new about this second stage of dehellenization. Harnack’s central idea was to return simply to the man Jesus and to his simple message, underneath the accretions of theology and indeed of hellenization: this simple message was seen as the culmination of the religious development of humanity. Jesus was said to have put an end to worship in favor of morality. In the end he was presented as the father of a humanitarian moral message. The fundamental goal was to bring Christianity back into harmony with modern reason, liberating it, that is to say, from seemingly philosophical and theological elements, such as faith in Christ’s divinity and the triune God.

In this sense, historical-critical exegesis of the New Testament restored to theology its place within the university: theology, for Harnack, is something essentially historical and therefore strictly scientific. What it is able to say critically about Jesus is, so to speak, an expression of practical reason and consequently it can take its rightful place within the university. Behind this thinking lies the modern self-limitation of reason, classically expressed in Kant’s “Critiques”, but in the meantime further radicalized by the impact of the natural sciences. This modern concept of reason is based, to put it briefly, on a synthesis between Platonism (Cartesianism) and empiricism, a synthesis confirmed by the success of technology. On the one hand it presupposes the mathematical structure of matter, its intrinsic rationality, which makes it possible to understand how matter works and use it efficiently: this basic premise is, so to speak, the Platonic element in the modern understanding of nature. On the other hand, there is nature’s capacity to be exploited for our purposes, and here only the possibility of verification or falsification through experimentation can yield ultimate certainty. The weight between the two poles can, depending on the circumstances, shift from one side to the other. As strongly positivistic a thinker as J. Monod has declared himself a convinced Platonist/Cartesian.

This gives rise to two principles which are crucial for the issue we have raised. First, only the kind of certainty resulting from the interplay of mathematical and empirical elements can be considered scientific. Anything that would claim to be science must be measured against this criterion. Hence the human sciences, such as history, psychology, sociology, and philosophy, attempt to conform themselves to this canon of scientificity. A second point, which is important for our reflections, is that by its very nature this method excludes the question of God, making it appear an unscientific or pre-scientific question. Consequently, we are faced with a reduction of the radius of science and reason, one which needs to be questioned.

We shall return to this problem later. In the meantime, it must be observed that from this standpoint any attempt to maintain theology’s claim to be “scientific” would end up reducing Christianity to a mere fragment of its former self. But we must say more: it is man himself who ends up being reduced, for the specifically human questions about our origin and destiny, the questions raised by religion and ethics, then have no place within the purview of collective reason as defined by “science” and must thus be relegated to the realm of the subjective. The subject then decides, on the basis of his experiences, what he considers tenable in matters of religion, and the subjective “conscience” becomes the sole arbiter of what is ethical. In this way, though, ethics and religion lose their power to create a community and become a completely personal matter.

This is a dangerous state of affairs for humanity, as we see from the disturbing pathologies of religion and reason which necessarily erupt when reason is so reduced that questions of religion and ethics no longer concern it. Attempts to construct an ethic from the rules of evolution or from psychology and sociology, end up being simply inadequate.

Before I draw the conclusions to which all this has been leading, I must briefly refer to the third stage of dehellenization, which is now in progress. In the light of our experience with cultural pluralism, it is often said nowadays that the synthesis with Hellenism achieved in the early Church was a preliminary inculturation which ought not to be binding on other cultures. The latter are said to have the right to return to the simple message of the New Testament prior to that inculturation, in order to inculturate it anew in their own particular milieux. This thesis is not only false; it is coarse and lacking in precision. The New Testament was written in Greek and bears the imprint of the Greek spirit, which had already come to maturity as the Old Testament developed. True, there are elements in the evolution of the early Church which do not have to be integrated into all cultures. Nonetheless, the fundamental decisions made about the relationship between faith and the use of human reason are part of the faith itself; they are developments consonant with the nature of faith itself.

And so I come to my conclusion. This attempt, painted with broad strokes, at a critique of modern reason from within has nothing to do with putting the clock back to the time before the Enlightenment and rejecting the insights of the modern age. The positive aspects of modernity are to be acknowledged unreservedly: we are all grateful for the marvelous possibilities that it has opened up for mankind and for the progress in humanity that has been granted to us. The scientific ethos, moreover, is the will to be obedient to the truth, and, as such, it embodies an attitude which reflects one of the basic tenets of Christianity. The intention here is not one of retrenchment or negative criticism, but of broadening our concept of reason and its application.

While we rejoice in the new possibilities open to humanity, we also see the dangers arising from these possibilities and we must ask ourselves how we can overcome them. We will succeed in doing so only if reason and faith come together in a new way, if we overcome the self-imposed limitation of reason to the empirically verifiable, and if we once more disclose its vast horizons. In this sense theology rightly belongs in the university and within the wide-ranging dialogue of sciences, not merely as a historical discipline and one of the human sciences, but precisely as theology, as inquiry into the rationality of faith.

Only thus do we become capable of that genuine dialogue of cultures and religions so urgently needed today. In the Western world it is widely held that only positivistic reason and the forms of philosophy based on it are universally valid. Yet the world’s profoundly religious cultures see this exclusion of the divine from the universality of reason as an attack on their most profound convictions. A reason which is deaf to the divine and which relegates religion into the realm of subcultures is incapable of entering into the dialogue of cultures. At the same time, as I have attempted to show, modern scientific reason with its intrinsically Platonic element bears within itself a question which points beyond itself and beyond the possibilities of its methodology.

Modern scientific reason quite simply has to accept the rational structure of matter and the correspondence between our spirit and the prevailing rational structures of nature as a given, on which its methodology has to be based. Yet the question why this has to be so is a real question, and one which has to be remanded by the natural sciences to other modes and planes of thought: to philosophy and theology.

For philosophy and, albeit in a different way, for theology, listening to the great experiences and insights of the religious traditions of humanity, and those of the Christian faith in particular, is a source of knowledge, and to ignore it would be an unacceptable restriction of our listening and responding. Here I am reminded of something Socrates said to Phaedo. In their earlier conversations, many false philosophical opinions had been raised, and so Socrates says: “It would be easily understandable if someone became so annoyed at all these false notions that for the rest of his life he despised and mocked all talk about being – but in this way he would be deprived of the truth of existence and would suffer a great loss”.

The West has long been endangered by this aversion to the questions which underlie its rationality, and can only suffer great harm thereby. The courage to engage the whole breadth of reason, and not the denial of its grandeur – this is the program with which a theology grounded in Biblical faith enters into the debates of our time. “Not to act reasonably (with logos) is contrary to the nature of God”, said Manuel II, according to his Christian understanding of God, in response to his Persian interlocutor. It is to this great logos, to this breadth of reason, that we invite our partners in the dialogue of cultures. To rediscover it constantly is the great task of the university.

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“Easter” egg hunt changed to “Spring Celebration with Bunny”. What happened to the Resurection?

Easter eggs not politically correct? Come on now!

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“A Seattle public school has decided that Easter eggs are super offensive and not politically correct. They’ve renamed them Spring Spheres — even though eggs are not spheres.”

“In my old hometown in New Jersey the town Easter egg hunt was changed to “Spring Celebration. With Bunny.”

It may only get worse. Stay tuned.

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Tax relief & military pay using religious imagry possible without jehad?

Can we jest about politics without threat of jihad?

An attempt:
And the Taxpayer People, sorely burdened sent Servant JohnB to The Great Portals for Golden Relief, For 40 days & nights he fasted & cried many a tear.

Please Great Ones – until we can agree on how much Relief — pay our warriors their fair wages for the year. They are shot at daily.

And a Voice replied, No, paying soldiers is only a distraction.

Inside The Great Portals Father Reid murmured to Mother Spirit Pelosi, Where is our Son, Prophet Obama? And Spirit Pelosi replied, Our Son left to announce a New Promise to spend four more years.

Then out of the rushing of air and a flight of white doves a Voice surrounded JohnB which said, Leave! Take these tablets. Give them to son Ryan who will explain them. And you will have true tax Relief.

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Bill O’Reilly of Fox News says no moderate Muslim voices denounce violence due to burning of Koran. American Islamic Fourm for Democracy is a moderate voice opposed to violence.

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General Petraeus denounced the burning of the “holy Koran” March 20, 2011 as hate speech. With due deference to the General’s extraordinary military abilities, he should stick to what he does excellently –engage in war against our enemies.

Bill O’Reilly on Fox News 4-6-2011 said that there are no moderate Muslims condemning the violence in the Middle East related to the burning of the Koran. O’Reilly should check out physician Dr. Jasser who founded American Islamic Fourn for Democracy which is a moderate voice opposed to sharia law and supportive of state/ mosque separation. Why not ask Dr. Jasser on to explain his views on the radicalization of Islamic youth in America?

“As deadly demonstrations spread across Afghanistan, American Muslim leaders condemned the violence as well as the Quran-burning by a fundamentalist Christian minister in Florida whose actions were cited as provocation for the killings.
By Allauddin Khan, AP
Protesters carry a wounded colleague during a demonstration to condemn the burning of a copy of the Muslim holy book by a Florida pastor in Kandahar, Afghanistan, on Saturday.
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“Clearly the Islamist agenda is to use any tidbit of information out of the West to try to paint America and the West as anti-Islam and anti-Muslim,” said M. Zuhdi Jasser, president of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy.
He said the killings over the weekend in Mazar-i-Sharif and Kandahar were the result of extremist leaders using the burning of a Quran last month in Gainesville, Fla., as an excuse for violence.REACTION: Fla. pastor denies responsibility for Afghan killings
FAITH & REASON: CNN won’t air ‘hateful’ interview with pastor who burned Quran
Terry Jones, 59, who runs the Dove World Outreach Center, held a mock “trial” of the Muslim holy book and burned a copy on March 20. He had threatened to do so last fall, on the anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, but backed down.

His actions last month gained little initial notice in the USA until the violence erupted Friday. Thousands of demonstrators in Mazar-i-Sharif overran a United Nations compound, killing seven. On Saturday, nine people were killed when hundreds marched in Kandahar, attacking cars and businesses and confronting security forces.

Demonstrations continued Sunday in Jalalabad, and a police officer was killed in a second day of violence in Kandahar, the Associated Press reported.

Jones did not return phone calls seeking comment. One of his group’s websites, StandupAmerica.org, posted a statement by Fran Ingram responding to what she said were calls to the church suggesting “you have the blood of the U.N. workers on your hands.”

“The teaching of the Koran is to be blamed. The leaders of Islam who teach the violence and hatred it contains have blood on their hands,” she wrote. “Free speech. We still have that in America.”

Ibrahim Hooper, spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, said Sunday that his Muslim advocacy group tried to ignore Jones because he has a tiny following and is not representative of mainstream American thought. “We believe he’s just in the mode of pure publicity seeking,” Hooper said of Jones. “We’ve purposely downplayed it as much as possible.”

Hooper denounced the violence as “a completely inappropriate reaction” to the Florida preacher.

“Everybody has freedom of speech. In this case, even freedom to do stupid and reprehensible things. But everybody also has the responsibility to act in a way that doesn’t harm others or doesn’t lead to the harm of others,” Hooper said.

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A publicity stunt by Sylvia & Terry Jones why they burned a Koran recently …

Terry & Sylvia Jones do a publicity stunt when burned a Koran recently says one chruch member. Looks like it all revolved aorund the needs and wants of Terry and Sylvia Jones per what can be known so far …

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What is known about the background of Terry Jones — who burned a Koran in Florida recently and, as a result, a bunch of people died?

One member of the church says things changed slowly over time after Sylvia and Terry came to lead the church in 2001 … That same member thinks the burning was done as a publicity stunt…
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“Correct me if im wrong, but isn’t doing unpaid volunteer work for one’s church synonymous with doing good for the community (i.e. helping care for a place of worship for fellow believers )?

– April 04, 2011
A.Shane Butcher :
“That is correct, however, the only people that benefited were the pastors. The thrift store did have free lunches, which was made from food acquired from the local food bank, and you could get free clothes and cheap household items that were donated… I don’t have real problem with any of that. But there was the Ebay furniture business where me and many people work unpaid 60+ hrs a week with a goal of making $15,000+ a week minimum that was about 90% profit other than some of that money going towards the church mortgage.

The rest went to the pastors for their condo in Treasure Island FL, their expensive house in Slydell Mississippi, and flying first class where ever they went, which included dozens of trips between FL and Germany.
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Can anyone out there cite current 2011 instances where Christians or Jews are killing or harming persons of another religious belief? It’s fairly easy to find instances of other religions killing or harming Christians and Jews.

So when Islam religious leaders say that their holy book is MORE holy than the Bible does that somehow justify killing people? Nope. written by DrCameronJackson@gmail.com

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American Islamic Leadership Coalition views strongly differ from Dr. Wafa Sultan author of A God Who Hates

Could someone like Dr. Wafa Sultan (who wrote A God Who Hates) join a moderate American Muslim organization? Would she join such an organization?

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MEDIA CONTACTS Gregg Edgar for American Islamic Leadership Coalition
gedgar@gcjpr.com
602-690-7977

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Dr. Jasser outlines how young Muslim men via education from their mosques come to accept “a separatist ideology”. Did that same process occur in Saudi Arabia which lead to the 9/11 attacks on America? Fifteen of the nineteen Islamic terrorists in 9/11 were from one country — Saudi Arabia. So it should be relatively easy to examine Saudi Arabia’s history to see whether the same kinds of changes in society that occurred there are related to similar changes in America.

How do “moderate” Muslims that oppose sharia law come to terms with what Dr. Wafa Sultan discusses in A God Who Hates? Her name is not on the list of the American Islamic Leadership Coalition. Have they asked her to join? Could she, in good conscience, join? What say you?
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American Islamic Leadership Coalition represents true diversity of American Muslims: American Muslim leaders come together to defend the US Constitution and protect national security

Washington, DC (March 29, 2011) – The American Islamic Leadership Coalition (AILC) publically announces its official national launch as a diverse coalition of American Muslim leaders. The coalition was officially formed in September 2010 and in just the past few weeks has garnered the support of a growing number of known Muslim leaders in North America. AILC has now gained critical mass and is stepping into the public arena in order to proclaim our support for the March 10, 2011 Hearings on “The Extent of Radicalization in the American Muslim Community and that Community’s Response”. Our coalition’s mission statement reads:

As American Muslim leaders, we come together to defend the US Constitution, uphold religious pluralism, protect American security and cherish genuine diversity in the practice of our faith.

AILC is foundationally dedicated to protecting the principles of liberty and freedom for every American citizen and especially for the diverse voices within American Muslim communities. Its leadership seeks to bring the ideas of modernity, reform, diversity, and genuine pluralism to Muslims across North America. AILC is a broad coalition of diverse American Muslim leaders and organizations who strongly identify with the AILC’s core mission and principles. They come together in recognition of the need to demonstrate to America’s thought leaders the deep diversity which defines American Muslims and Islam in America.

M. Zuhdi Jasser, President of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy and a member of the coalition stated, “AILC is entering the national stage to give American Muslims and non-Muslims a much needed alternative to the existing organizations like CAIR, ISNA, MPAC, ICNA, and MAS which claim to speak for all American Muslims but do not represent many alternative points of view. Muslims are a diverse community and the majority of American Muslims do not tow the Islamist line of the Muslim Brotherhood legacy groups.”
To that end, AILC supports the efforts of Congressman Peter King as a catalyst for a Muslim-led open dialogue on the growing problem of radicalization within Muslim communities. The coalition believes that the hearings created a new opportunity for Muslims to redefine the fight against radicalization as a fight for the liberty narrative and against the anti- American Islamist narrative. Our national focus upon radicalization as a ‘crime problem’ has paralyzed us into a myopic political correctness that has prevented us from dealing with the far more important steps long before that last step of violent extremism. AILC stands behind the principle that Muslim communities need to have an open discussion on the issue and hope it will drive the reform necessary to finally defeat the root of radicalization, a separatist ideology that creates and breeds radicalization.

“AILC hopes that the King hearings were just the first effort at real open dialogue on the issue of Muslim radicalization,” said Manda Ervin, President of the Alliance for Iranian Women. “Muslim communities need to come together to solve the problem, but we need the platform that these hearings provided to begin those discussions. The current alphabet soup of Muslim organizations has not given us that leadership.”

In fact in contrast to AILC’s support for dialogue, CAIR announced a social media campaign to silence Congressman Peter King called “Pete King must be Stopped.” Instead of open and honest discourse about the issues CAIR prefers to focus its energies on perpetuating a myth of victimology for American Muslims. This continued lack of leadership in solving Muslim radicalization has created a vacuum that AILC hopes to fill.

AILC was created by American Muslim leaders after being brought together with the help of members of the Congressional anti-terror caucus. The coalition held its first formal meeting in Washington, DC on Capitol Hill on September 26, 2010. Since its formative meeting the AILC has initiated regular national conference calls with its member organizations and leaders and continues to add members, leaders, and organizations. Today they also announced the rollout of their website at www.americanislamicleadership.org. Members of the coalition are listed there with their titles, organizations and work.
“AILC presents Muslims an opportunity to reclaim ownership for solving our own problems,” Tarek Fatah, Muslim Canadian Congress (MCC). “Our coalition will come together to offer an alternative voice to the Islamist groups that have so far dominated the American and Canadian discourse on Islam and Muslims. We hope Americans will begin to finally realize that we are a diverse community with a broad spectrum of approaches to Islam and being Muslim in America.”

About the American Islamic Leadership Coalition (AILC)

The American Islamic Leadership Coalition (AILC) is a diverse coalition of liberty-minded, North American Muslim leaders and organizations. AILC’s mission advocates for defending the US Constitution, upholding religious pluralism, protecting American security and embracing the diversity in the faith of Islam. AILC provides a stark alternative to the Islamist organizations that claim to speak for what are diverse American Muslim communities. For more information on AILC, please visit our website at http://www.americanislamicleadership.org/.

AILC Coalition Members

Golam Akhter, Bangladesh-USA Human Rights Coalition Inc, Washington, DC

Khurshed Chowdhury, Ph.D., Silver Springs, MD

Manda Zand Ervin, Alliance of Iranian Women, Washington, DC

Tarek Fatah, Muslim Canadian Congress, Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Farid N. Ghadry, Reform Party of Syria, Washington, DC

Tawfik Hamid, Islamic Reformer, Washington DC

Jamal Hasan, Council for Democracy and Tolerance, Baltimore, MD

Farzana Hassan, Ed.D., Toronto, Ontario, Canada

M. Zuhdi Jasser, American Islamic Forum for Democracy, Phoenix, AZ

Hasan Mahmud, President Toronto Chapter Free Muslims Coalition

Kamal Nawash, Free Muslims Coalition

The book A God Who Hates: The Courageous Woman Who Inflamed the Muslim World Speaks Out Against the Evils of Islam was written by Wafa Sultan, a Syrian-American ex-Muslim. Breaking with Islam takes tremendous courage, as the traditional death penalty for leaving Islam is still upheld today. The only good byproduct of Muslim immigration to the West is that it has allowed a handful of such former Muslims to publish their thoughts about leaving Islam. One of these titles is Leaving Islam: Apostates Speak Out, edited by Ibn Warraq. Another is Understanding Muhammad by the Iranian ex-Muslim Ali Sina, the founder of Faith Freedom International. I have reviewed his book at Jihad Watch previously.
In her writing, Wafa Sultan draws extensively on her own personal experiences as well as those of friends and others in her society, especially the women, who suffer from an appalling level of brutality and repression. She manages in a very convincing manner to tie many of these problems directly to Islamic teachings, all the way back to Muhammad, his wives and companions. Far from representing a “perversion” of Islam, she shows us that the repression and violence that is endemic in Islamic societies represent the true essence of Islam.

In sharp contrast to the self-proclaimed “reformist” Irshad Manji, whose knowledge of Islamic doctrines is quite limited, Sultan shows us how Islam was born in the Arabian desert and is still shaped by this 1400 years later. The raids Muhammad and his companions carried out in his lifetime – which amounted to at least twenty-seven if you believe Islamic sources – occupy a major part of his biography. They were intended to acquire booty, but also to inflict physical and mental harm upon rival tribes in order to deprive them of their ability to resist.

Wafa Sultan, page 66: “For me, understanding the truth about the thought and behavior of Muslims can only be achieved through an in-depth understanding of this philosophy of raiding that has rooted itself firmly in the Muslim mind. Bedouins feared raiding on the one hand, and relied on it as a means of livelihood on the other. Then Islam came along and canonized it. Muslims in the twenty-first century still fear they may be raided by others and live every second of their lives preparing to raid someone else. The philosophy of raiding rules their lives, the way they behave, their relationships, and their decisions. When I immigrated to America I discovered right away that the local inhabitants were not proficient in raiding while the expatriate Muslims could not give it up.”

On the Islamic “culture of shouting and raiding,” she states on page 69: “My experience has been that two Muslims cannot talk together without their conversation turning into shouts within minutes, especially when they disagree with each other, and no good can come of that. When you talk to a Muslim, rationally, in a low calm voice, he has trouble understanding your point of view. He thinks you have lost the argument. A Muslim conversing with anyone else – Muslim or non-Muslim – cannot remember a single word the other person has said, any more than my mother could remember a single word of what the preacher in our local mosque said.”

A master-and-slave mentality dominates Arab-Islamic society, both in public and in private. A person can often be a master in one relationship and a slave in another, simultaneously.

Page 158: “When you speak calmly to a Muslim, he perceives you as being weak. The American saying ‘speak softly and carry a big stick,’ is, unfortunately, of no use when dealing with Muslims. It would be more appropriate to say (until we can change this way of thinking), ‘speak forcefully and carry a big stick’; otherwise you will be the weaker party and the loser. Democracy cannot spread in societies like these until the people who live in them have been reeducated, for they cannot function unless they are playing the role of the master or the slave.”

A deep structural flaw in Islamic culture is that nobody wants to take responsibility for his own shortcomings or mistakes, which are always blamed on somebody else or on God’s will. There is no clear distinction between truth and lie, between yes and no. Things happen or don’t happen inshallah (Allah willing), not because you take personal responsibility for them.

Page 215: “Never in my life have I heard or read of a Muslim man’s expressing feelings of guilt about something he has done, even in fiction. People feel guilty only when they feel a sense of responsibility and acknowledge that they have made a mistake. But Muslims are infallible: The mere fact that they are Muslim makes their every error pardonable. A man’s adherence to Islam is defined not by his actions and responsibilities, but only by the profession of faith he recites: ‘I testify that there is no god but God, and that Muhammad is the messenger of God.’ As long as he continues to repeat this profession of faith he will continue to be a Muslim, and no crime he may commit against others can diminish this. Saddam Hussein was one of the great tyrants of history, but most Sunni Muslims consider him a martyr. At his funeral they chanted: ‘To paradise, oh beloved of God.’”

Islam constitutes an extremely and arguably uniquely repressive belief system. Already in the first days of Islam, Muhammad linked obedience to himself with obedience to God.

A God Who Hates, page 159: “Muhammad understood that the ruler was the link between himself and the populace, and so concentrated on the need to obey the ruler, saying in a hadith: ‘Whosoever obeys me obeys God, and he who obeys my emir obeys me. Whosoever disobeys me disobeys God, and he who disobeys my emir disobeys me.’ In confirmation of this, a verse rolled down from the mountaintop, as follows: ‘Obey Allah and the Apostle and those in authority among you’ (4:59). ‘Those in authority among you’ means, according to works of Koranic exegesis, ‘your rulers.’ In order to ensure that Muslims would obey their rulers implicitly and without reservation, Muhammad told them in a hadith: ‘Obey your emir even if he flogs you and takes your property.’ Fearing that some Muslims would rebel against such unquestioning obedience, he justified it by saying in another hadith: ‘If a ruler passes judgment after profound consideration and his decision is the right one, he is rewarded twice. If he passes judgment after profound consideration and his decision turns out to be the wrong one, he receives a single recompense.’”

Page 160-161: “Never in the history of Islam has a Muslim cleric protested against the actions of a Muslim ruler, because of the total belief that obedience to the ruler is an extension of obedience toward God and his Prophet. There is only one exception to this: A Muslim cleric of one denomination may protest against the actions of a ruler who belongs to a different one. How can a Muslim escape the grasp of his ruler when he is completely convinced of the necessity of obeying him? How can he protest against this obedience, which represents obedience to his Prophet and therefore also to his God? He cannot. Islam is indeed a despotic regime. It has been so since its inception, and remains so today. Is there a relationship more representative of the ugliest forms of slavery than that between a ruler and a populace whom he flogs and whose money he steals while they themselves have no right to protest against this behavior? The ruler acts by divine decree, and the people obey him by divine decree.”

Islam is totalitarian to such an extent that it is difficult to comprehend for outsiders. Critics often compare it to totalitarian ideologies such as Nazism and Communism from the Western world, which is apt in many ways. Yet Islam is even more totalitarian than those creeds. Even the Nazis and the Communists didn’t ban wine and beer, all works of pictorial art, sculptures and most types of music. I can think of other religious denominations and groups who restrict the use of alcohol, but I cannot think of any other religious creed on this planet that bans wine, pictorial art and most forms of music at the same time. Islam is unique in this regard.

I have developed a beer hypothesis of civilization, which stipulates that any society that does not enjoy beer and wine cannot produce good science. I say this 80% as a joke and 20% seriously. The Middle East before Islam produced some scientific advances at a time when the ancient civilizations were great consumers of beer and wine. The Middle East after Islam did, for a while, produce a few scholars of medium rank, but these contributions steadily declined until they almost disappeared. This time period overlaps with the period when there were still sizeable non-Muslim communities and by extension sizeable production and consumption of wine in this area. The medieval Persian scholar Omar Khayyam was a good mathematician, but a bad Muslim who loved wine. The Ottoman Turks largely chased away what remained of wine culture in that region. Incidentally, the Turks also contributed next to nothing to science.

The one possible objection I can see to the consumption of beer and wine is that some men become alcoholics who proceed to beat their wives, and some women beat or abuse their children when they drink. This is unfortunately true sometimes and constitutes an issue that should not be ignored. Yet Islamic societies suffer from an extreme level of child abuse, domestic violence and general violence of all kinds, which means that the one really serious objection to alcoholic beverages carries no meaning there. The Koran 4:34 says quite explicitly that men are allowed to beat their women. They don’t need to get drunk to do so.

A God Who Hates is easy to read, but at the same time deeply disturbing and packed with examples from everyday life of how Islamic doctrines ruin the lives of millions of people. Wafa Sultan’s book provides us with an insightful, but unpleasant look into a culture that damages the soul of its inhabitants. It paints a portrait of a society where women are mistreated daily and barely seen as human. They will in turn project their own traumas on their sons, daughters and daughters-in-law, creating an endless cycle of mental and physical abuse. It is very hard to see how this vicious cycle can be broken without repudiating Islam.

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Aptos, CA psychologist: Going into surgery or if in a fox hole, would you say the King James version of Psalm 23 or a modern version?

Which do you prefer: “Yea, thou I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I shall fear no evil..” or “Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death I will fear no evil…”

The Greatest Book in the English Language
By Jonathan Aitken from the March 2011 issue

“It is received Washington wisdom that nothing great was ever created by a committee. But the rule has one stunning exception — the King James Bible, which celebrates its 400th anniversary this year, with no end to its spiritual longevity or literary influence in sight.
“The King James Version (KJV) was born out of political compromise and royal patronage. Church life in 16th-century England was characterized by high and often violent tensions over vernacular translations of the ancient Latin version of the Bible known as the vulgate. Early translators such as William Tyndale and John Rogers were burned at the stake. When the Reformation gathered momentum after Queen Elizabeth came to the throne in 1558, the Puritans popularized the Geneva Bible, which went through 70 editions selling more than half a million copies. But when James succeeded Elizabeth, the new and scholarly king (called “the wisest fool in Christendom”) identified footnotes in the Geneva Bible that he deemed to be subversive of royal authority.

“At Hampton Court Palace in 1604, King James moved to end this subversion by convening a conference of established church bishops and moderate political Puritans. Keeping the latter on his side was one of James’s priorities, although he was theologically opposed to their low church governance, as he showed by his comment, “No bishops, no King.” Nevertheless James commissioned six committees drawn from both Puritan and Episcopalian scholars to translate a new English language version of the Bible dedicated to himself as “the principal mover and author” of the translation. So the KJV was conceived as a unifying production, endorsing the idea of a monarchical national church.

“Although the scholars appointed to the translation committees were men of extraordinary erudition, some of the early printers of the King James Bible proved more fallible. Among their more amusing misprints was the omission of not from the Seventh Commandment, so making God’s instruction: “Thou shalt commit adultery!”Aside from such typographical mistakes, a curious but calculated error was to leave much of the language of the KJV in forms that were dated, if not archaic by the time it was published in 1611. By that time “you” had replaced “ye” in common parlance. “Thee” and “thou” were also falling into disuse. The translators left such anachronisms in place because they were conservative in their scholarship. They preferred to keep alive the sonorous language that had been fundamental to the historic work of earlier translators like Tyndale and Coverdale. Such scholars had an ear for the rhythms and cadences of poetic utterance. An early clue to this resonance is to be found in the third chapter of Genesis when Adam says to God, “she gave me of the tree and I did eat” (Genesis 3:12). These KJV words are written in the classical form of iambic pentameter, the five-meter beat of Shakespeare’s plays.

“The linguistic conservatism of the King James Version flourished in the new American colonies. It is not known whether the first Puritan settlers brought Geneva Bibles with them (the famous Mayflower Geneva Bible of 1588 displayed in the University of Texas is a fake), but they soon focused on the KJV, which was the only English-language Bible available in America for most of the 17th century.A
“Oxford University Press, the KJV’s original and current publisher, has marked the 400th anniversary in part by releasing the entertaining new book Bible: The Story of the King James Version 1611-2011, by Gordon Campbell. It opens with this paragraph about U.S. presidents and the KJV:

On 20 January 2009 Barack Obama took the presidential oath of office on a copy of the King James Version of the Bible published by Oxford University Press in 1853; it was the same Bible that had been used by Abraham Lincoln in 1861. Similarly a series of twentieth century presidents (Warren Harding, Dwight Eisenhower, Jimmy Carter and George Bush Senior) chose to take their oath on the copy of the KJV published in London in 1789. The two Bibles are artefacts that represent turning points in American history.

History and the King James Version have been closely connected in American political oratory. The opening words of the Gettysburg Address, “Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth,” are based on a combination of the KJV rendering of Psalm 90:10, “The days of our years are three score years and ten,” and its description of Christ’s birth, “Mary brought forth a son.” When Lincoln later in this address observed the tragic fact that in the Civil War both sides “read the same Bible,” he was referring to the KJV.

A century later when Martin Luther King, Jr. delivered his “I Have a Dream” speech from the steps of the Lincoln Memorial, he based one of his most purple passages almost verbatim on Isaiah 40:45 as translated by the KJV:

I have a dream today. I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, every mountain and hill made low. The rough places will be made plain, the crooked places will be made straight and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together. This is our hope. This is the faith with which I return to the South.

More important than politicians plagiarizing the KJV for their speeches is the popular usage of innumerable phrases from the 1611 text in everyday speech. The most original book published to celebrate the 400th anniversary is David Crystal’s Begat: The King James Bible and the English Language. Also published by Oxford University Press, it traces hundreds of common expressions back to the KJV. They include:

Fly in the ointment; my brother’s keeper; fight the good fight; finding the scapegoat; how are the mighty fallen; bricks without straw; new wine in old bottles; baptism of fire; blind leading the blind; root and branch; turning the other cheek; scales falling from eyes; holier than thou; going the second mile; reaping the whirlwind; fall by the wayside; sour grapes; two edged sword; old wives’ tales and writing on the wall.

According to Crystal, the KJV has contributed more to the English language than any other source, creating double the number of familiar expressions that derive from Shakespeare.

The greatness of the KJV lies in a mysterious mixture of its historicity, familiarity, and spirituality. More than 2.6 billion copies of it have been published in the last four centuries, and sales continue strong as the Oxford University Press expects to sell around 250,000 this year. This is a most felicitous combination, to use yet another phrase coined by the 17th-century translators, of God and Mammon. The King James Bible deserves its label as “the most celebrated book in the English speaking world.” 

Letter to the Editor

StumbleUpon| Digg| Reddit| Twitter| Facebook Jonathan Aitken, The American Spectator’s High Spirits columnist, is most recently author of John Newton: From Disgrace to Amazing Grace (Crossway Books). His biographies include Charles W. Colson: A Life Redeemed (Doubleday) and Nixon: A Life, now available in a new paperback edition (Regnery).
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cg| 3.22.11 @ 6:38AMThere is no Isaiah 40:45.
Reply to this LarryK| 3.22.11 @ 8:33AMI believe he meant IS 40:4-5
Reply to this Handy| 3.22.11 @ 2:02PMThe article proves that all religions are, at base, political. In sum, a means to the end of controlling fools.
There is no reason to religiousness. You have faith; you have abandoned reason. Simple as that. Can’t have both.
Quote scripture if you wish, but bring cash if you want to purchase something. I sure ain’t buying what you “Fundies” are selling.
Keep your idiotic faith and whatever translation of the Bible you choose inside the walls of your churches. Leave us rational people alone.
Reply to this Ryan| 3.22.11 @ 4:58PMIrrational people like Newton, or Bach, or Galileo, or…
Sorry, I really don’t know that the “faith is irrational” quite flies with me. There’s plenty of points about atheism that I could say you are being irrational about.
Reply to this Alan Brooks| 3.22.11 @ 7:48PMHandy, American Spectator worships at the church of the White Trash God.
Reply to this Tony in Central PA| 3.22.11 @ 7:53PMHandy’s post would only be correct if humans are omniscient.
Reply to this Frisbee| 3.22.11 @ 8:48PMHandy wrote: “You have faith; you have abandoned reason.”
Not true. Reason acts on premises. Faith provides premises and precedes reason. For example, in order to begin to reason, you may first believe your sense of sight, or some other sense. First you believe, then you reason.
Faith vs Reason is a false dichotomy.
Reply to this KyMouse| 3.22.11 @ 7:25AMThat’s a typo, cg. The verses are Isaiah 40:4-5; 45:2; and Luke 3:4-6.
Reply to this Pall Leosson| 3.22.11 @ 9:37AMHenry VIII, that fat old reprobate, did not found the Church of England or any church. He merely declared that the Pope (Bishop of Rome) would no longer have power over the Church of England. The king wanted his marriage annulled and was frustrated by the Pope’s refusal to grant an annulment. (He would have been happier and less frustrated with 21st century Roman Catholicism.) But he remained an orthodox Catholic to his dying day. He did not found a new church. The ancient Church of England remained intact, minus Papal authority over ecclesial politics in England. It remains so today, however threatened by insidiously creeping liberalism and dramatic decline in membership.
Reply to this Pall Leosson| 3.22.11 @ 9:41AMThis was meant to be a reply to Purple Lips. (His unfunny mockery that the Church of England was built upon the institution of adultery. Of course, he makes this “twist” in historical and ecclesial interpretation in order to exercise wit relating to the printing error in the 10 Commandants of one of the earliest editions of the KJV of the Bible.)
Reply to this Doctor Right| 3.22.11 @ 12:29PMHenry VIII most certainly DID establish (“found”) the “Church of England”.
This fact was even explicitly acknowledged by Catholic martyr Thomas Moore. Moore had no problem stating that Henry was the Founder of the C of E.
What Moore objected to was Henry’s insistence that he (Moore) acknowledge that Henry’s marriage to Anne Boleyn was legitimate, and that the C of E was itself legitimate. Moore refused, on religious grounds, and was put-to-death.
Admitting that something is legitimate is NOT the same thing as admitting it exists. For example, Scientology is a farce, but there’s no doubt that it exists, and was founded by L. Ron Hubbard.
In any event, it’s all academic anyway, because neither the C of E nor the Church from which it separated are “the one, true church”.
Reply to this Frisbee| 3.22.11 @ 8:52PMPall Leosson wrote “He merely declared that the Pope (Bishop of Rome) would no longer have power over the Church of England.”
Not accurate, I think. Henry declared that the King was “Supreme Head” of the Church of England. The first oath qualified it “as far as the law of Christ allows”. But this qualification was later removed and then Catholics started refusing to sign.
Reply to this Frisbee| 3.22.11 @ 8:57PMTo be really clear, let’s say that Augustine of Canterbury established the Church of England by authority of Pope Gregory the Great around 550AD. Henry VIII stole the Church in violation of his own Coronation Oath and the First Article of the Magna Carta.
Reply to this Roland| 3.23.11 @ 12:33AMIf Henry VIII founded a Church of England, it was abolished by his daughter Mary. The present Church of England was founded by his other daughter, Elizabeth.
Reply to this Purple Lips| 3.22.11 @ 7:32AMSince the Church of England was built upon the institution of adultery I could perfectly understand how some translators had to tip-toe around certain prohibitions of the 10 Commandments.
Reply to this Pall Leosson| 3.22.11 @ 9:44AMMy reply to you, Purple Lips, is above in reply to KyMouse. I accidentally typed out my reply under the wrong reply section. I hope you will read it. I appreciate your attempt at humour, but not at the expense of historical truth and the unjust exercising of historical revisionism.
Reply to this Purple Lips| 3.22.11 @ 1:02PMThe King was a heretic pure and simple. And to say he didn’t leave the Church or he didn’t found a new church as akin to saying the United States didn’ leave the Realm, but codified new rules concerning colonies. Henry butchered thousands of his subjects who refused to follow him. He stole Church property, killed priests and bishops who had the affrontry to remind him of his sins, and he had a jolly old time with his women folk.
The Church of England never would have come about without his approval, and ordinations within the Church of England had to meet his approval. He had his theologians perform theological cartwheels in order to justify his action. Not even those despots in Vienna, Paris, or Madrid promoted the kind of spiritual decadance Henry displayed during his lifetime. The King, whom Pope Leo X once called a Defender of the Faith, fell about as far as one can go. And he took an entire nation with him. The Anglican Church was built upon the sins of its King. And the foundation stones were crafted from the blood and bones of Catholic martyrs.
Reply to this Frisbee| 3.22.11 @ 9:07PMHenry VIII wasn’t so much a heretic as he was a serial adulterer and wife beheader. To further his adultery he feigned a schism with the papacy. But it was later Anglicans like Cranmer and Elizabeth that dragged the CofE into a liturgical Protestantism.
Reply to this Dee See| 3.22.11 @ 7:54AM”–The Calvinists were the only church with
a faculty for self-government and
the ONLY Protestants who would fight–”
“Religion is the key to history”
-LORD ACTON
“John Calvin was the REAL father of America.”
-GEORGE BANCROFT
U.S. Historian Prre-eminent
1835
—-GO to your local bookstore, ANY bookstore
and try to find ANYTHING by, or even about
John Calvin, or even John Bunyan beyond
‘Pilgrim’s Progress’.
—–JUST TRY
THEN —check out the background and legacy
of the ARMINIAN Heresy.
THEN —SEE the real nature of the damage.
—Oh, you will. We guarantee it!
Reply to this Stuart Koehl| 3.22.11 @ 10:44AMI’m semi-pelagian myself.
Reply to this Ryan| 3.22.11 @ 10:55AMI’m more or less Reformed Baptist (for lack of a better label, and no one has defined “neo-Calvinist” yet), but I don’t hold to Dee See’s views that Arminianism is heresy at all. I’ve known far too many good Christians, and calling such people heretics goes a bit against the promise made to Abraham about the number of his children.
Reply to this David T| 3.22.11 @ 2:35PMAmen.
Reply to this USSAlabama| 3.22.11 @ 8:39AMIt was a landmark we should all be thankful for – the ability to have our own copy of scripture, but the King James version, in particular is one of the worst translations available. And one of the most biased.
Reply to this Igor| 3.22.11 @ 9:15AMThe Lincoln quote “Read the same Bible” is from his second inaugural, not the Gettysburg address.
Reply to this Peppermint Tea| 3.22.11 @ 10:38AM”When Lincoln later in this address observed the tragic fact that in the Civil War both sides “read the same Bible,” he was referring to the KJV.”
No, that was not in the Gettysburg Address, that was in the second (?) inaugural.
Reply to this Peppermint Tea| 3.22.11 @ 10:45AMAbout 80 per cent (exact 83 per cent) of the New Testament and 76 per cent of the Old Testament (in the King James Bible) is Tyndale’s translation. from Wiki. Google it.
In other words, the KJ committee system worked because Tyndale had done all the heavy lifting–or in this case the poetic rendition.
Reply to this Old Soldier | 3.22.11 @ 10:53AMI read other versions for study, but nothing beats the poetry of the KJV – particularly around the holidays.
Reply to this Winston S| 3.22.11 @ 11:26AMThe Rheims NT had a influence as well on the KJV having been published 29 years prior to the KJV. The Douay OT was published in 1609. Both were translated by Catholics. Imagine that.
Reply to this Frisbee| 3.22.11 @ 9:10PMThe Douay Rheims version was published in 1582, was it not? Are you saying its OT came after?
Reply to this Petronius| 3.22.11 @ 11:53AMMany have intimated and predicted that there will be a clash between the “fundies”, (old line puritanical Baptists), and the legions of late boomer trash from the 60’s who hijacked western culture to foster sexual hedonism without consequence and the infantile egotism which canonizes all the Paris Hiltons, and Charlie Sheens in our midst. That possibility has long passed. And the unchurched wastrels are destroying themselves. And the sad fact is that modern theologians have enabled all of it. But then there are no Holy Inquisitors or stocks on the village green to maintain any public compliance to religious stricture either. King James desired unity in belief and practice among his subjects even as He played in the mud. He formed the commission to avoid the tumult which had taken place during the Tudor dynasty. Read God’s Secretaries by Adam Nicholson.
Reply to this Seek| 3.22.11 @ 12:27PMWe’re kind of generalizing a bit, aren’t we? For centuries all societies have produced its share of Charlie Sheens. They just haven’t necessarily produced an inquiring press to create free publicity.
Good for the Rolling Stones, Al Pacino, and every other purveyor of “infantile egotism” since the Sixties. They create culture – the real kind. Prigs, on the other hand, create little, save for priggery.
Reply to this Petronius| 3.22.11 @ 11:03PMSo the macrophage amoeba is an advanced life form.
Reply to this HistoryDoc| 3.22.11 @ 1:57PMThe KJV was dedicated to James I, a homosexual in sundry forms. A literary masterpiece for its time, verily, aside the patronizing dedication which should have been a dedication to Almighty God. Still, the umpteenth changes in words, yea, consider thou the word “habergeon.” Art thou wearing one today? Hast thou ever worn a habergeon? Probably not in the same way the Romans did, simply a “breastplate”. Then the word “charity” in the KJV is the overarching word for “love” even though the Greek word “agape” (simply “to look out for another’s best interests”, e.g., John 3:16) which is quite distinct from the other Greek word “phileo” (brotherly love, emotional love). The Greek word for sexual love, “eros” is not used in the NT. The KJV for me has always been easier to memorize, however, serious students use the NASB and NIV. Nothing beats the Greek text, naturally, the KJV scholars relied on the Textus Receptus, the “received text” by the Catholic Church which was penned by Erasmus who used the Latin text, not the Greek text. If you read the KJV use some modern translations and you will see how words have changed over time. Don’t mean to nit-pick here… Blessings and Good hunting!
Reply to this Frisbee| 3.22.11 @ 9:13PMIt is my understanding that the original KJV included the so-called “Catholic” books of the OT, later ignored by protestants, did it not?
Reply to this For Those Who Thirst| 3.22.11 @ 2:05PMhttp://www.sgpbooks.com/cubeca…..d_705.html
Reply to this USSAlabama| 3.22.11 @ 11:03PMEven better: _Truth in Translation_ Jason BeDuhn.
http://www.amazon.com/Truth-Tr…..1300849327
Reply to this David T| 3.22.11 @ 2:45PMMr. Aiken–I think it was probably Anglican scholars and not Episcopalian scholars who helped translate the KJV.
Reply to this Who Knows?| 3.22.11 @ 7:14PMAs the first born grandson to a bible banging refugee from Kansas, Grandma Marsh, I was “lucky” to be named James, without a doubt because of that bible.
Her son, my father, was a well traveled man, having had to get a job as a merchant marine at age 14, in 1929, since there wasn’t enough food to go around.
When I reached 14, she gave me my own KJV bible—and, I have that bible to this day.
I can still remember how new and fresh-smelling it was, in 1956!
However, ol’ mom and dad were too—what?—to belong to any church.
LUCKY ME!
The closing of minds can start very early, but grandma’s attempt to make me a Christian happily failed.
The religious body-mind snatchers, in their exoteric manifestations, only bring separation and violence.
Hello jihad.
Hello crusaders.
When no one can truly EVER know what a single thing IS, well—-
There is only God!
Read “The Central Philosophy of Buddhism”, by T. R. V. Murti—
“The Real or the Truth is not constituted by our knowing it or not knowing it as such.—
Truth is impersonal, true for all and for all time—the intrinsic nature of all things.
The “thatness”, invariable for all time.
It does not suffer by NOT being taught (declared as the Truth); nor does it suffer by BEING TAUGHT either.
It is not a necesary part of Truth that it should be known and declared as truth.” page 277
And, THAT’S the Truth!!!
Reply to this David T| 3.22.11 @ 8:36PMWho Knows? Your grandma did. Jesus loves us. We know that because your KJV Bible tells us so. Take it out, dust it off, and read it with an open mind and heart. Start with the Gospel of John. It’s deeply spiritual and theological and philosophical. Contrast Buddha with Christ. You will find that the ontological presuppositions of Buddhism are epistemologically bankrupt. Christ, however, is the way, the truth, and the life.
Reply to this Dave Trap| 3.22.11 @ 8:45PMI would rather be a white trash God fearing Christian than a gutter Jew like Alan Brooks.
Reply to this Danny| 3.22.11 @ 9:10PMYou left out “skin of my teeth”
Reply to this Dee See| 3.22.11 @ 11:07PM”Learn to discern the mystical body
of Anti-Christ. Learn! See!”
-JOHN BUNYAN
—Then take a good long look at, not only at
the Rockefeller founded and funded Globalist front op ‘World Council of Churches’,
but our entire, cross-the-boards, ‘Christian’
establishment.
Doesn’t it at all bother the ‘liberals’ of the CAP-COM con-job that there’s not a single contrary
or critical voice being raised in the face of
EUGENICS and One Worldism?
NOT EVEN ONE
———“A cage of every unclean bird”
Where did we read that?
Reply to this jo anne white| 3.22.11 @ 11:32PMI enjoyed this article. But I feel sorry for so many who choose to criticize the Bible.
For those who have never know the peace of the words. For those who do not have the memory of learning to read from the King James Bible while sitting with Grandparents who lived a faith that was based on belief that produced a more honest lifestyle than most people have had the joy of knowing .It is sad to read the comments from the unknowing and unbelieving. There is more to life than you know and (higher education ) doesn’t come from the educational facility’s .
Reply to this Roland| 3.23.11 @ 12:37AMI’m pretty sure the proverbial use of “sour grapes” comes from Aesop, not the KJV.
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Aptos, CA psychologist: Can any Muslim excise most of the literal words of the Koran & still be a Muslim? Sounds like it. There is no anointed clergy or de facto leadership. So why not re-invent the Koran in modern terms? Listen to what Dr. Jasser says re the King hearings on radicalization of U.S. Muslim youth

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Dr. Jasser states that, Islam has no anointed clergy or de facto leadership. There is no “one” Islam. Muslims are not monolithic

It’s great to hear from Dr. Jasser that Islam is not like the Catholic Church with a Pope, creeds and an anointed clergy. It’s good to hear that there is no one leader or group of leaders that can impose creeds upon all Muslims.

But what is there to lead and guide Muslims since as Dr. Jasser says there is no anointed clergy? What about their Bible — the Koran?

Does Dr. Jasser accept all/ or some the literal words of the Koran? Since there are no leaders, is it possible for any individual to re-interpret any/ all/ some the words of the Koran?

Can Dr. Jasser say that he only accepts 10% of the literal words of the Koran and that’s fine and he is still an equally good Muslim as any other Muslim? Sounds like that may be what Dr. Jasser does. Because the Koran has some really strong words about a lot of issues.

Can mosques in Dr. Jasser’s view, read and abide by the Koran in a similar way that Christian churches can read the New Testament and live lives according to the Koran?

Anyone who reads the Koran from start to finish (takes only a few hours) will get an overarching impression about lots off issues: how Muslims are told to deal with the “infidel” (non-Muslims), that the state/ government has a say in everything, that women have very different and much lower rights than men.

So how does Dr. Jasser deal with the actual words of the Koran? How far can anyone re-interpret a basic document and change the words that are stated? The basic document for Islam, the Koran, supports marriage and sex between men and young children. So that is excised in Dr. Jasser’s interpretation of the Koran. What is left in and what has been taken out? Anyone can do what ever they want and be a Muslim? Sounds like it.

See what Dr. Jasser says below in a question and answer session:

Dr, Zuhdi Jasser: questions and answers on his testimony at the King congressional hearings recently held on radicalization of Muslim youth in U.S.

Question # 1. Critics say these hearings on Muslims were McCarthyesque. What do you say?

Dr. Jasser: “In truth, the hearings were a major step in beginning the dialogue necessary to bring real change for American Muslims and real security to the United States. Critics used “McCarthyism” to dodge any responsibility for the hard work of reform necessary to truly counter the radicalization of some Muslims.”

2. Why were you invited to testify?

Dr. Jasser: “Homegrown terror from Muslims is increasing exponentially, and we are failing. I have been willing to frankly and publicly discuss the root cause of political Islam and work against it. I think the committee appreciated that forthrightness and presentation of tangible solutions like the “liberty narrative” that can inoculate Muslim youths against radicalization.”

3. How did American Muslims respond to your testimony?

Dr. Jasser: “There has been an overwhelming positive response from many American Muslims. The American Islamic Leadership Coalition, our alternative to Muslim grievance groups, has now grown exponentially in the past week. On the opposite pole, the hate speech against our work from Islamists nationally and locally has spiked with epithets against me like “Uncle Tom.”

4. Why do you have so many critics on the left?

Dr. Jasser: “I just don’t get it. I’m one of the most outspoken American Muslim voices for women’s rights, pluralism, our First Amendment and the central nature of our Establishment Clause (the separation of mosque and state) toward defeating political Islam. And yet, many in the left have seemed tone deaf to all these traditionally sympathetic ideas to look through the jaundiced eye of partisan politics. They cannot seem to depart from the thought that American Muslims are victims.”

5. What is the most significant point non-Muslims should understand about Islam?

Dr. Jasser: ” Islam has no anointed clergy or de facto leadership. There is no “one” Islam. Muslims are not monolithic. We are a diverse community with diverse interpretations of our scripture, laws and practice. That may be heresy to some imams (teachers) and the power infrastructure of many mosques and Islamist groups. But the future of our beautiful religion and rich history resides in the ability of the vast majority of Muslims to wake up and take on that establishment. American security hangs in the balance.

6. Do you see the relationship between Islam and the West evolving or devolving?

Dr. Jasser: “In my own life, it has evolved as I have obsessed with reform, absorbing into my own Islamic interpretations the ideas of liberty and Americanism. For revivalists, who see themselves bringing Islam to non-Islamic lands, it will continue to devolve into a dangerous struggle between those in denial and those against Islam. I pray American Muslims awaken toward reform and away from revival.”

7. Has the United States taken the right lessons from 9/11?

Dr. Jasser: “Not yet. We have no offense against the ideas that fuel Muslim separatism down that slippery slope of radicalization.

8. What one book do you recommend all Americans read?”

America needs to visit again “The Road to Serfdom” by F.A. Hayek. In Chapter 2, he poignantly quotes (19th-century German poet-thinker Friedrich) Holderlin: “What has always made the state a hell on Earth has been precisely that man has tried to make it his heaven.”

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